- Should Haredim Call Police When A Child Is Abused? (06/08/2008)
- Regarding Rabbi Moshe Sternbuch's Guidelines in Call The Police (06/16/2008)
Two suspected pedophiles arrested in ultra-Orthodox J'lem neighborhood(06/04/2009)
- Rav Moshe Sternbuch threatened for his support of certain rabbinic organization (06/02/2011)
- Har Nof Pedophile Alert (12/23/2011)
- Har Nof Pedophile: Rav Sternbuch's Psak (12/25/2011)
- Har Nof Pedophile (01/12/2012)
- Warning to parents - Pedophile in RBS similar to pedophile in Har Nof (02/24/2012)
- Former Har Nof Pedophile alive and well (04/12/2012)
Rav Moshe Sternbuch, shlita - Guidelines for calling the Police
There is a widespread impression that the police and the chareidi world have an inherently antagonistic relationship. There is also a widespread perception that the chareidi world is more concerned with covering up crimes such as child or wife abuse and that pedophiles are given free run. In other words there is a perception that the chareidi community is more worried by adverse publicity then it is about the welfare of the individual.
This Shabbos I had an intensive discussion with Rav Moshe Sternbuch, shlita about these issues.
1) Child Molesters
He stated without hesitation and said that I can quote him - that if one knows that children are being molested that one should call the police. He noted that there is an important distinction to keep in mind. One calls the police when it is clear that someone is still in danger. Thus one does not automatically call the police concerning an event that took place once and is not going to be repeated. In such a case one should first consult with a rav. When I mentioned that many rabbis apparently felt differently – he dismissed such a view as being wrong. He noted also that it is important for the community rabbis to have a good working relationship with the police. That means that the police need to be sensitive to the needs and nature of the chareidi community and the community needs to be understanding of the police. He said that there is such a relationship with many police forces.
The rule is summarized simply – if one knows that someone is being physically abused or will be abused than it is required to call the police after consulting a rabbi who agrees he is a future danger as is common in such cases.
2) Vigilante actions
I mentioned the issue of vigilante actions in the chareidi community and whether they are to be praised or condemned. He noted that there are unfortunately disturbed and misguided individuals in the chareidi community – as there are in other communities. The general rule is not to make a public protest when the problem is rare and insignificant. He said that it only encourages these individuals when their activities are publicized. However if they progress beyond this stage then it is important to take action. He mentioned the Bedatz dealt last year with vigilantes who burned down a clothing store in Geula. I mentioned the recent incident in Beitar. He said he condemned such behavior. If it is clearly not a rare act of a disturbed person then it needs to be dealt with.
[This is also related to the recent outbreak of burglaries in Har Nof where Rav Sternbuch lives. The unanimous ruling of the rabbonim of Har Nof is that one can call the police on Shabbos if one witnesses a break-in as there is also life danger involved. As is explained in Shmiras Shabbos K’hilchosa (41:25-29) – this is because the possible danger associated with these break-ins. See also Aruch HaShulchan (C.M. 388:7). Tzitz Eliezer (19:52) also permitted calling the police in the case of teacher molesting his students. He based his psak on the Aruch HaShulchan.]
Following Vicki Polin's original public statement regarding Rabbi Moshe Sternbuch's Guidelines for calling the police is a statement written by Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn on his blog called Daas Torah's blog. Rabbi Sternbuch is the Chief Rabbi of the Orthodox Rabbinical Courts in Har Nof, Jerusalem, Israel and is telling his community members that they MUST get permission from a rabbi prior to contacting child protective services or any form of law enforcement ins suspected cases of child abuse or neglect. CLICK HERE TO READ MORE
האיום: "נגיע אליך ואל אביך הראב"ד - ושם זה יסתיים"
המאבק המלוכלך בין הארגונים המתיימרים לפעול למניעת חילול קברים - עולה מדרגה • בן הגר"מ שטרנבוך זכה לאיום טלפוני מ'אתרא קדישא' עקב תמיכתו במתחרה
הבוקר (חמישי) נחצו כל הקווים האדומים: קבוצה מכת ה"סיקריקים" התקשרה לרב חיים-עוזר שטרנבוך, בנו של ראב"ד העדה החרדית הרה"ג רבי משה שטרנבוך ואיימה עליו כי "תטפל בו, תחנך אותו ותעמיד אותו במקום" - כך נודע ל"כיכר השבת". מה הסיבה ולפיה יצא הקצף של ה"סיקריקים" על בנו של הראב"ד
The Rav told me to publicise in his name that he has not allowed any chillul Shabbos midaorayso, the Rav feels that if there is no issur Torah it is allowed what is absolutely necessary as this is a tzorah drabim, this does not include taking photos . The rav has never allowed going around with a telephone and camera on Shabbos, in special situations a rav must be consulted.---------------------------------
I also confirmed with Rav Treibitz that he gave a heter [for those who had seem him] to call the police on Shabbos and to carry a camera on Shabbos to take his picture because the police said that if they knew what he looked like they would surely catch him. He told me that unfortunately there have been a number of victims already.
One girl was molested.
the person’s description is 30 years old, around 5’10 full black beard,
kova “knaitch” (Borsalino style), regular suit length jacket. The best
this will do is eliminate men who do not meet this description.
The incident was reported to the police.
It has been rumored that a pedophile struck 3 times within the last month at Katznelbogen 2/4/6
I haven’t heard that the pedophile or maybe pedophiles have been caught
If one sees a child being lured or led into such a dark/secluded area, or into a vehicle, one should certainly intervene, without placing oneself in danger, such as by asking the child if the man is her/his father. Please note any identifying information, such as location of incident, description of the person and what he is wearing, ethnicity, age, unusual facial characteristics, smells and any other details, even if they seem inconsequential at the time.
For victims, it’s essential that the police are informed and they can interview any children involved (which is done solely by highly trained experts), so that they can investigate and arrest this person, and also so the child can receive professional assistance if required. Please contact the Police and Magen if you have any information or you need assistance in coping with this problem.
It’s essential to know where our children are at all times and specifically they should be calmly instructed NOT to speak to adults they don’t know, and NEVER to go with an adult they don’t know, even if the adult asks them to do a mitzva, offers them candy or says he’s lost, and even if he looks frum (as this man reportedly does). It is a good idea to role-play these situations with your children, telling them to quickly walk away if someone they don’t know tries to talk to them, and scream loudly if anyone (including people they do know) tries to touch them on areas of the body which are normally covered – and they should immediately tell their parents and/or other trusted adult.
This past erev Shabbos the Har Nof Weekly "Shechunaton" ran a large advertisement from the pedophile, Mr. Daniel Sunray, for his jewlrey business which is now located in Bayit Vegan. It is highly offensive and inappropriate that an individual who was driven out of the neighborhood after escaping conviction for abuse of numerous local children should be given space in a local newspaper as if he were a normal member of the community. True, every Jew has the right to support his family, but such an offender should a sense of shame and have the decency to refrain from advertising himself openly in the neighborhood he was compelled to leave.
If you feel as I do, please register your protest with the Har Nof Weekly, e-mail HarNofWeekly@... or phone number 02 579 7641. It is important they hear from many people. Please forward this email to others on your list.
In addition, I would also recommend that anyone who has friends in Bayit Vegan inform them about this new resident of their neighborhood. There is no issue of lashon hora. To the contrary, it is essential that people be aware who Mr. Sunray is in order to protect their children. Clinical studies demonstrate that pedophiles do not reform on their own, and the offender will almost certainly look for future opportunities to practice his sick behavior.